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Scott Rushing
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Aimpoint putting

Because I've stuggled getting the line right with some reads lately, I was watching some Youtube videos on the Aimepoint system, more to the newer version Aimpoint Express.  There's a few out there but an instructor near me is doing a 3 hr session on it in Sept so if I put badly next week I might go see what it's about.  The thing I am struggling with is not reads on the big breaking putts, its the subtle ones.  the idea with AimPoint express that you stand on your line and 'fee' what the break is with your feet sounds great except when I've tried it, I can tell those subtle breaks with my feet either.    One video I saw the advantage of it was it was fast to make the read.   Walk the line, figure out which foot is higher then do the finger thing.  15 seconds and the guy had the read.  Versus about 1 minute for another guy to walk around look at both sides of the putt and come back, etc. 

Between now and next week I'm going to try to visit a few putting greens and try to work on that piece of it to see if I can learn any better on how to do that.  Anyone else tried it?

DON
IF you can feel the slope of

IF you can feel the slope of the greens with your feet, you have a much better FEEL in your feet than I do. I've heard about this feeling the break with the feet thing many times, but unless the break, ( Slope ) of the green is something I can see with my eyes, I can't feel it with my feet either. Nice idea but it's not for me and my old feet I'm afraid. Good luck if you try it. 

Don

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Scott Rushing
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I've been reading more about

I've been reading more about it...seems like you sort of have to train yourself to be able to do it.  So you use a digital level for example and find a 1 degree slope and practice until you can discern that ... then 1.5 or 2 degrees, etc.  I'm honestly struggling on slight break putts..like a HALF degree putts...that sort of thing.  I can see it either way and wind up missing it.  So I'm going to play with it and see.  No harm in trying.  May even try a little plumb bob with those almost flat putts to see what I can see..

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Aimee
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Break

Some people just can’t read breaks. Being that my background is in design, architecture, and construction, I am very visual and can estimate distances and see/feel variations in level. It is part of my job, so I get more practice. But I have always had a feel for putting, so I’m lucky.

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DON
I know that there is an App

I know that there is an App for your shone that works as a digital level. I saw a guy using it one time. so that might be worse looking into. Load the app and then check the green for level using your phone. Assumeing it was a free app no harm and trying it I guess. 

Don

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Aimee
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app

Another thing to slow down pace of play. Take out your phone, open the app, lay the phone on the green...

At least Aimpoint is quick to resolve the line.

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DON
I mentioned the Level app for

I mentioned the Level app for your phone as a way to "Practice" your green reader at the practice green, NOT as something to use on the course. If a golfers "Needs" to learn how to "Feel" the slope of the greens with their feet, using the app to get the correct slope of the green would make a lot of sense. Get the real slope of the green with the "Level" app and then try to see if your feet tell you the same thing. That makes sense.
After posting my last post of this, I went to Google and found quite a few "Level" apps and downloaded the one with the highest review scores onto the Galaxy Tab A. It looks pretty good and it might be worth trying it out on a practice green some time. If I like it and it seems to help, I might download the same app to my Galaxy S4 phone so I have it with me every time I go to the range or course to practice.

Don

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Scott Rushing
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Agree, the basis of AimPoint

Agree, the basis of AimPoint seems to be you spend a lot of time on practice greens learning to feel the differences in slope.  Not something you learn on the course.  The video I saw, yes, the guy figured out his line way faster than those walking all around the putt.   Now, it only works for certain putts .. not ones that have multiple breaks, etc.  So it's not revolutionary in that sense..but I'm going to try to learn it for subtle ones...and practice plumb bobbing...just to see if it helps me any at all

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Scott Rushing
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Neat thing plaiying Saturday

Neat thing plaiying Saturday was my A player was an AimPoint user...and I got to watch him read and estimate putts all round.  That was neat. and he only missed like 2 reads all round..So I'm going to try it over the winter.  I played with it  today with my digital level on the putting green, and practiced some today.  Using a few things I've picked up , I hit a few putts using the Express method of estimating breaks.  I think I made 4 of 6.  not bad.   Real key is learning to estimate amount of break using your feet.  That's taking time.   I ordered the DVD off Amazon that he recommended for $35 bucks.  Looking forward to playing with it this winter.

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Aimee
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concept

I looked online to get a quick idea of how this is supposed to work. I'm guessing if you can't train yourself to feel slope, you'll not gain anything from this method. But...it may still provide some benefit for the practice green because it does force you to stop, slow down, and really think about your line and speed. I guess it depends what the crux of your issue is in putting. My husband, for example, has gotten better with speed, but never reads the break correctly (almost always sees too much break). I watch how other people's putts are breaking around the hole to get a feel - which only works if you are the closest in/putting last!

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Scott Rushing
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For me, my struggles putting

For me, my struggles putting tend to be misreads and mostly on the not quite flat kind. I tend to over read straight putts.  I'm pretty good with speed and obsvious break.  So I'm wanting to give this a shot to see if it helps with the putts I struggle to read.  ALso read some about plumb bobbing though there are 2 schools of thought or how you actually do it..  But yes I would say Aimee if you (I) can't get a handle on feeling the break with my feet, then this method won't work for me.  I have to have some basis for being able to estimate the direction and strength of the break. 

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Aimee
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Scott, I'd love to hear about

Scott, I'd love to hear about your progress in an empirical way, do you track avg putts/round now? Can you start tracking once you begin Aimpoint training to see if over 30-60 days there is a downward trend?

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Scott Rushing
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Hey Aimee,...sure will keep

Hey Aimee,...sure will keep you posted on how things go.

So at times I do track my putts very consciously, but I don't record them.  So I can't tell you now what my putts per round or average putts per GIR are.   But I can tell you

1) most of my 1 putts are chips close and tap-ins

2) I mostly 2 putt GIR unless I hit it stiff.   And I usually only make 1-2 birdies a round at most.

3) I don't 3 putt very often

I would say usually I'm at usually at the 30-32 putts per round.  Not bad but leaving a lot of meat on the bone given I hit a fair number of GIR. Now all of those aren't close ... so 2 putt is expected.   While I think I'm a good putter, I tend to miss 2-3 'makeable' birdie putts during the round.  So I think if Aimpoint does work, I'll be able to see it in those putts and in the quality of the first putts.  

Now I will tell you that at the beach last week, I did make at least 1 or 2   4-6 foot putts that I lined up with Aimpoint.  They weren't hugely difficult but they were dead center cup.  So I'm at least optimistic the reads work.  I watched the DVD this weekend and it cleared somethings up that I was guessing about and had wrong.  Right now I'm working a lot at home at trying to feel different levels of slope with my feet and I'm hitting the putting green a few times a week.  

so I'll keep you posted...but from my playing with the guy who was experienced in it, he was nailing reads that I had completely the opposite.

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scomac
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I know a fellow on another

I know a fellow on another forum that has been using Aimpoint Express for quite some time now.  He says that putting is the best part of his game and that has largely been a result of using this method.

If you have been having some success with it Scott, I would encourage you to stick with it to see if it can help get your putting to the next level.  wink

Scott Rushing
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Played 9 holes today...first

Played 9 holes today...first time this week due to my back acting up.  Hit the ball really well most of the day. Aimpoint wise, i've been practicing reading break using both my eye and feet and then using the digital level to confirm.   But I think I putted out before I used the level each time.    Anyway, greens were slow which was a little painful.  I had 4 3 putts because of the speed.  don't think I've ever had that many 3 putts on 9 holes before.   But I also had 3 birdies in a row, which I NEVER have done before.  And 2 were Aimpoint reads.  The third was just firm straight into the cup.  

  First hole I had the line perfectly just left the ball on the lip due to speed.   Second hole I 3 putted because I under clubbed into the green and had a LONG putt which I didn't hit firm enough.   1 putted the next green.   3 putted the next green from about 15 ft.  That hurt. Read was good with AIMpoint but I missed the speed twice.   Then made a 15 ft birdie, a 10 ft birdie and at 1ft birdie.  Last 2 holes I over firmed the short 2ft putts and missed them.   The read I think was right I just hit them too firm

 

So today over 9 holes I had 4 3 putts and 4 1 putts for 18 total putts.  Not a good number but the 4 3 putts was totally due to my speed reading. 

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Still liking the AimPOint

Still liking the AimPOint process.  I still have to practice the subtle breaks.  That's tough.  My plan for the winter is to try and practice those almost flat and see if I can get to where I 'feel" anything in my feet.    if I can see a break , i'm pretty good. 

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