Trackman driver shaft fitting for new TPT shaft

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DON
Trackman driver shaft fitting for new TPT shaft

If you have been reading my recent posts you should know that I am getting one of the new TPT shaffs for a driver. As part of the shaff deal I set up a driver shaft fitting for the TPT line of shafts with my local Club Champion store. I had an 1-1/2 hour appointment last Wednesday, April 11th. To get ready for my shaft fitting I hit the driving range on Monday and Tuesday of that week to try to get my swing back into reasonable shape as I didn't want to have a fitting with a really rustly swing. As it turns out, my range sessions were less than ideal in terms of how fast I was swing the clubs. Monday wasn't too bad, but I must admit that I was not getting the expected swing speed did I am used to with my woods. Tuesday was even worse as my Swing Speed Radar unit was showing that my swing speed with my driver was only around 88 to 92 MPN, well short of my usual 98 to 100 MPH. Why I can't say, but I'm sure the lack of range time was a factor. This brings me to my Trackman session on Wednesday at Club Champion. After warming up with an 8 iron, we started out with me hitting my driver, a Cleveland Launcher 460 Comp. Needless to say I was NOT very happy to see that the Trackman was showing my driver swings at only 85 on average. Nothing close to what is has been in the past. With my driver that has a 78 gram Stiff flex shaft, i averaged 84.9 MPH. What was interesting was that when I hit the TPT shafts, which are all well under that weight. I averaged When I hit the TPT 17 lkp mt shaft which weights 55 grams in the new Ping g400 MAX head, I got an average of only 83.3.With the 15 lkp LT shaft weighing 65 grams, I got 84.3. With the 65 gram 15 LPK MT shaft I got 83.8 MPH. When I hit the TPT 16 LKP MT shaft that weighs only 61 grams in the same Ping head my speed was 84.0 MPH. While a lot of golfers may be surprised by this data and contrary to what most of us are beign told by the golf club makers, it is EXACTLY what I was expecting to get. For the past 12 years I have been measuring my club head speed with different weight shafts in a driver, I have ALWAYS gotten the same speed with a heavy shaft as I do with the lighter ones. So the next time some golf club reps tells you that their driver with the ultra light shaft will give my higher swing speeds and therefore Longer drives, Take it with a grain of salt, and do your own testing on a good launch monitor like I just did.          

END OF PART ONE. 

Scott Rushing
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Thanks Don.  So what about

Thanks Don.  So what about that Swing Oil stuff you were using a few times.  Any chance to add that to the mix and do some more swings?  I'm waiting for Part 2... LOL
 

 

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Trackman Part 2

Swonmg speed with the driver was not the only problem with my test, as I was also only getting 213.7 yards of carry with the longest shaft I hit in the Ping G400 Max head. Angin way below you norm, which is almost always over 250 yards and on good days 265 or more. With the low speeds I was generating on the Trackman, my carry distance was NOT that bad really, so it was not the Trackman but ME at fault. The woarse results with a TPT shaft was only 207.3 with the 15 LKp MT shaft. 

As you might expect, some of the shafts gave me better shot dispersion than the others, as some fit me better and I got better launch conditions. The shaft that gave me the Longest carry was the 15 LKP LT shaft at 213.7 with a total distance of 240.0 yards, the second longest total yards. The shaft that gave me the longest total yardage was the 16 LKP MT shaft with a carry of 211.5 and a total of 242.8. The shpt distersoin was NOT as tight and of the 6 shots I hit I would guess that 3 would have been in the fairway and the other three in the right rough. With the 15 LKP LT shaft I hit 4 of the 5 balls into a nice tight pattern what would have found the fairway and only one wide right in the rough. None of the other TPT shafts performed for me as well at these two did, so it came down to picking one of these two for my driver. The 15 LPK LT shaft gave me the best shot dispersion, but has a recommend swing speed of 105 - 120 MPH, so that was an issue for the club fitter. The larger shot dispersion but the longest carre yardage and a recommend swing speed of 90 -105 MPH was a better fit speed wise, so that was hard to argue against. It also gave me slightly better Smash Factor at 1.51 compared to 1.49 for the 15 LT shaft. 

So in the end the club fitter recommended the 16 LKP MT shaft that is a beter fit for my swing speed, over the 15 LKP LT shaft that gave me the tigher shot dispersion but with much higher recommend swing speed. So TPT Golf is sending me the recommended shaft and when it comes in I will install it in a recently purchased Pind driver head and we will give it a good workout and see what I get. I LIKE the total distance with this shaft and it was only 2 yards shorter carry wise so i'm fine with that. My only concern is whether the Mid Torque 16 MT shaft will give me a good left to right shot pattern in the Ping head I just purchased for this shaft. The 15 LT shaft has a lower torque rating which Might explain why I got a better left to right ball pattern, but that is something we will have to wait on to see what I get with the new TPT shaft in the Ping head I just picked up. All I can do now if give it an honest test and hope for the best. I'll let you know more after the shaft gets here and i have a chance to install it in the head and give it a good workout.

Don

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DON
Swing OIl

Hi Scott; I HATE to have to say this but the truth is that I DID drink some of the Swing Oil before my range session on Tuesday and again on Wednesday before my fitting on the Trackman. So that was NOT a reason for my slow swing speed both days. In truth my swing speeds Might have been even worse if not for taking the Swing Oil both days, so I have NO Idea of where to go next to find my lost club head speed. 

Don

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Scott Rushing
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Well Don, thanks for the

Well Don, thanks for the detailed review of the process, the results and your choices.  I always think it's interesting to see actual DATA with these testings.  Unfortunately, while you might take 24 swings, it's still a small sample size in terms of how your swing might differ from day to day to day.  Most of us don't have the luxury the pro's have to take something and hit it over  and over and over again before they decide to put it in play.  The best we can do is do what you did, and try to make an educated decision based on the few pieces of swing data we have. 

Good luck Don, hope to hear more about how ti goes once you get it and install it.

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After the shaft fitting I did

After the shaft fitting I did a LOT of research looking to find the BEST driver head to go with the new TPT shaft I have coming in. When I was at Club Champion for the fitting I was told that they recommend TWO new driver to their customers, the new Ping G400 or the G400 Max, or the Callaway Rouge. Both the Callaway and the Ping are very long and very forgiving, so they make for a great head if you want to hit the ball long with lots of foregiveness. They are both alway VERY Expensive to buy, both new or used. Sot that put me on the searce for a driver at a price I was willing to pay. The Callaway Rogue sells for $499 new and the Ping goes for $399 new, both more than I am willing to  spend on a new driver. Used they are a bit more affordable, but not exactly cheap, especially when you take into account that I currently have dozens of drivers and about a dozne driver heads on hand to use. So I did some research into how much better the NEW models are compared to those of a few years ago. And what I found was NOT much of a surprise. NON of the latest driver are that much better if any then those of the last 5 or 6 years. As you most lilkely know NON of the new drivers are ANY hotter, as this is regulated by the rules of golf and controlled by the R&A and the USGA. So buying a NEW model to get more distance from a hotter face is NOT an option. I check drivers for Callaway, TaylorMade and Ping from 2012 to 2017, and NON of them offered much in terms of distance or much in terms of foregiveness really. When the driver were tested on a launch monitor they ALL produced the SAME ball speed over the last 6 years, so distance is not getting any longer from a HOT club fac., The Only factor that might give more distance would be spin and launch angles. In FACT, some of the newer models did NOT hit the ball longer but rather a bit shorter in the tests I checked. And some of the drivers were HARDER to hit than some of the older models as well. So after hours of looking at test resullts I decide to go with a Ping G20 which is from 2012. The reason I didcied to go this route is that it was the EASIEST driver to hit well, and it got the same distance as the  brand new Ping G400. Based on these issues I decided to buy a used Ping G20 and save a ton of money in the process. Seeing as how I was buying a driver JUST for the HEAD, and I would NOt be using the shaft that came with it. I saw no reason to spend over $300 for a used driver just to throw away the shaft. The Ping G20 was available WITH a good after market shaft that fits me and a new Golf Pride grip that I can use, so it was an expense that I could justify. Truth is I CAN Afford to spend the $500 or so for a new Rogue driver but I can't really Justify that much money on a new driver when I dont' really NEED one. Another factor in buying the Ping G20 is that this driver does NOT have an adjustable hosel to change loft or lie, or club face, and If you know anything about me, you know I HATE this feature in ALL drivers and woods. The reason I hate this feature is that it totally RUINS the performance of a good shaft that has been properly Spine and FLO aligned. Thats because when you adjust the club you have to ROTATE the shaft in the head, and that changes the way the shaft performs and that only makes the club WORSE, NOT better. 

So there you have it. I ordered a used Ping G20 driver off Ebay to use with the new shaft, so all I have to do now is wait for TPT to ship the shaft and do my testing of the shaft it self, and then see how the shaft performs in my Ping G20 head. I'll post more when I have a chance to see how the shaft performs for me. Type at you later. 

Don

Putting is easy if you have the Right Putter.

DON
One thing I forget to mention

One thing I forget to mention in my other posts on the Trackman fitting for the new TPT shaft was that all three of the club fitters at Club Champion told me more than a few times that my OLD 2005 Cleveland Launcher 460 driver was NOT nearly as forgiving as the newer driver being sold today. And this factor was costing me Average distance and missed fairways on off center hits. So in theory, my Ping G20 should give me more average distance and more fairways hit than my current dirver head. So it will be interesting to see if that is what I get with the new TPT shaft. I'm hoping to see more average distance and a tighter shot dispersion with the more giving head and the new TPT shaft combination. Wich me luck and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. 

Don

Putting is easy if you have the Right Putter.

DON
I got the new TPT shaft

I got the new TPT shaft installed in the Ping G20 driver head and will be heading to the range in an hour or so to give it a good workout. I did my usual Spine and FLO alignment on the TPT shaft and it was an eye opener to say the least. I have been doing these test on EVERY shaft I use for the last 15 years and NEVER have I found a shaft that would FLO properly without aligning it JUST Right. This shaft would FLO very well at EVARY alignment that I tried and that was a bug surprise. The company claims that this shaft is extremely consistant if flex and this seems to prove that their claims are correct. After doing the FLO alignment on the new TPT shaft I decided to find a driver head with an adjustable hosel to test out the new shaft with an adjustable hosel to see if it will FLO properly no matter how I install the shaft in the head. I found a nice Ping G LS Tec 10.5* head at a decent price and purchased it and it should be here by the end of this week. so I will have to pull the shaft from the Ping G20 and install it in a shaft adapter for the Ping G series head early next week and give it another test session at the range. Then I plan to go back to the club fitter I used for the shaft fitting and see how the shaft performs on the same Trackman system so I have good data to compare to my old driver and the TPT shafts I hit during my fitting. 

Don

Putting is easy if you have the Right Putter.

Scott Rushing
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Sounds great Don.  Will be

Sounds great Don.  Will be nice to see how the data stacks up when you get the tests done, and then to also see how that translates to what you see at the range/on the course.  I was talking to another friend who did a fitting and was told Driver A setup was better for him than Driver B but then on the course, he hit Driver B more consistently.  Could have just been differences with his game/swing that day.

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