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Two easy ones for you.

Question number 1

Q.  Larry, Scott, and I were playing a friendly stroke play round of golf. At least, it started friendly. On hole number #5, Scott laid a towel on the ground to double check his alignment. Of course, he tossed the towel away before taking his swing. Larry spoke up and said, "Sorry Scott, but that's going to cost you a two-stroke penalty. You can't use anything to help you line up for a stroke. Scott said, how about my eyes, can I keep them open? They help with alignment. You can see where this was going?

What is the correct ruling?

A. Larry is correct, Scott can not set anything on the ground to help with his alignment, even if he removes the object before taking his swing. But, it's only a one stroke penalty.
B. Larry is correct, Scott can not set anything on the ground to help with his alignment, even if he removes the object before taking his swing. Two stroke penalty.
C. Scott was correct, as long the object he placed on the ground to help with alignment was removed before taking the swing, there is no penalty.

And the answer is ... 

Question number  2

 

Q. Larry chipped his ball from off the green. It was a great chip. The ball landed on the green and rolled to the hole. However, and this is where it gets interesting, the ball lodged between the flagstick and the mouth of the cup. Maybe an eight of the ball was below the level of the top of the cup/putting green surface. Larry got excited and declared he had holed out. Scott reminded Larry that a ball has to be at rest at the bottom of the hole to be considered holed.

What is the correct ruling?

A. Larry is correct, any part of the ball below the lip of the cup, the ball is holed out.
B. Scott is correct. The ball is not holed out. The flagstick must be removed. If the ball falls in the cup and comes to rest, then the ball was holed out.
C. Scott is correct. The ball is not holed out. The flagstick must be removed. If the ball falls outside the cup on the green, the ball is not holed out and must be putted until the ball falls into the cup and comes to rest.

And the answer is

DON
After 12 days of being posted

After 12 days of being posted, we still don't have even ONE person willing to post a reply. This is kind of sad to say the least. I can only assume no one here cares any more.

Don

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Scott Rushing
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Sorry Don...Wasn't that as

Sorry Don...Wasn't that as much as just didn't see it.

 

A   for the first and B for the second

 

 

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DON
Any one have a pick on these,

Any one have a pick on these, I'm NOT seeing any correct answers so far, which I'm a bit surprised to see. Rememer that the USGA has some new rules in place since Jan 1th of this year. 

Don

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DON
I guess these are a bit

I guess these are a bit harder than I throught they were. Noone has posted a correct answer so far, which is a surprise to me for sure. Maybe someon will think about it over the weekend and post a correct answer or two next week. I've got Snow in the forecast for tomight and Saturday, so NO golf in my plans until next week at the earliest. 

Don

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Scott Rushing
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Don  in the second question,

Don  in the second question, what's the difference between B and C?   Seem like the same answer just different sides of whether it falls in the cup or out when you remove the flagstick.

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DON
Hi Scott;

Hi Scott;

As for question #2, you are correct, B and C are pretty much the same answer. But that is NOT really a big deal, since the correct answer is A. If any part of the ball is below the rim of the cup, the ball is considered to be holed. 

Aw for question #1. it's a TWO stroke penility so the correct answer is B, not A. Sorry everonw, no one got the 2 correct answers so no one wins a free round at Pebble Beach this week. 

Don

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Scott Rushing
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Don, I'm not sure about that

Don, I'm not sure about that #2 answer

https://www.usga.org/articles/2016/11/when-is-a-ball-actually-holed-.html

" the definition of “holed” in the Rules of Golf, a ball is not technically holed until it is both at rest within the circumference of the hole and the entire ball is below the level of the lip"

My impression  was in the case above they would have to remove the flagstick and if the ball fell in, fine it was holed.  if it came out, it wasn't holed.  There could be different interpretations of the rules but that above is from the USGA

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DON
 

 

Scott;  If you look at that article you will see that it is dated 2016. As you know the USGA and R&A came out with new rules that went into play Jan 1 2019. According to the NEW rulses if ANY part of the ball is below the lip of the cup, the ball is holed.  I hope this solves the problem you have with my answer. I got my answer from the new rules I saw online. 

And lets be honest here. IF the ball was resting against the flag stick and you removed the stick, I do NOT see how the ball could do anything put fall into the cup. I't way over the edge of the cup so it no choice but to fall into the cup when you remove the flag stick. Don't you agree ???

Don

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DON
Scott. I just looked at my

Scott. I just looked at my post of 1/30 2019 and ti has pretty much the same question for the NEW rules of golf. And in your reply to that question you said the ball was holed out. and you were correct of course. Look at the questions on the New Rules of golf just below this posting and you will find the question and your answer. 

Don

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Scott Rushing
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Interesting Don.  I reviewed

Interesting Don.  I reviewed a few different rules changes docs and hadn't seen anything specific to the definition of a ball holed.

Now, I did find a decision that plays into your question...a nuance I didn't know...related to a "unattended flagstick". 

 

Rule 13.2cBall Resting Against Flagstick in Hole

(WARNING: THIS PART OF THE RULE REFERS TO AN UNATTENDED FLAGSTICK, LEFT

If your ball comes to rest against the flagstick left in the hole, and any part of your ball is in the hole below the surface of the putting green, your ball is treated as holed.” IN THE HOLE.)

 

 

So that was a condition I didn't know.  Did you find changes in 2019 to the definition of holed putt?

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DON
I watched a few videos on the

I watched a few videos on the new rules that went into effect Jan 1. i saw them bach in December or late November as I recall. I have NOT looked up the new rules to see exactly what they say about the ball being holed or not if it comes to rest between the flag stick and the edge of the cup. 

Don

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